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Misdemeanor
11th April 2006, 11:57 AM
Cockney loses out to Jafaican

Monday, 10th April 2006, 14:15

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LIFE STYLE EXTRA (UK) - WOULD you Adam and Eve it? A new form of accent is replacing Cockney in its traditional heartland.

White youths are among those speaking in a dialect combining Jamaican, West African and Indian - reflecting population changes in the area.

It means people in some parts of the East End are sounding more like Ali G than Grant Mitchell or Dot Cotton.

Researchers have found white youngsters adopting words from black and Bangladeshi local residents such as "nang" (good) and "creps" (trainers).

Other 'yoofspeak' coming into their vocabulary includes yard (home), yoot (child), blud/ bredren/bruv (mate), low batties (trousers that hang low on the waist) and chat (talk back/ contradict - as in "Don't chat to me!")

Then there are skets (derogatory term for loose girls), bitch (girlfriend), sick (good), jamming (hanging around), begging (chatting rubbish), bare (very, a lot) and nuff (really, very).

So "Rah, das 'nuff nang!" would translate to "Wow, that's really good!"

Linguistics expert Sue Fox, of London University's Queen Mary College said her research with colleagues at Lancaster University is part of the three year London English Project funded by the Economic and Social Research Council.

Up to a hundred adolescents aged 16 to 19 in two boroughs in East London and the Essex area have been interviewed.

Ms Fox said: "What I've actually found with young people is they are using a variety of English which is not traditionally associated with Cockney English.

"Some aspects of the traditional cockney speaking model do exist such as 't-glotalling' - where a word such as butter is pronounced 'bu''er.

"But the language is also being influenced by Jamaican, Asian and west-African English to produce a sound all of its own.

"And it is not white youngsters trying to ape West Indians because they think it is 'cool' - it goes beyond that.

"A lot of white families have moved out of 'cockney' areas into places like Basildon and Harlow and been replaced by people from different ethnic groups.

"The young English people who remain are mixing socially with them and being exposed to a mixture of second-language English and a new variety emerges.

"The local black and Asian accents are also evolving in much the same way as the white one."

Based on their preliminary findings Ms Fox and colleagues are calling it "multicultural London English".

She said: "The adolescents who use this accent are those of second - or third - generation immigrant background followed by whites of London origin.

"Our sample includes teenagers with West Indian, South American, Arab, West African and London backgrounds."

It has a distinctive sound and its vocabulary includes many words lifted straight from Jamaican patois.

Traditional long cockney vowel sounds which make a word like "face" sound like "faice" when spoken are getting shorter - so the new sounds closer to "fehs."

One young girl from outer London told the researchers about her eight year-old cousin who lived in the inner part of the capital.

She said: "People say he speaks like a black boy but he just speaks like a London boy."

Said Ms Fox: "The message is people are beginning to sound the same regardless of their colour or ethnic background."

The capital's increasingly multi-racial schools are helping to spread street talk.

But Gary Philips, head of Lilian Baylis in Kennington, south London, said it is not allowed in his classrooms.

He said: "You can speak how you want to friends in the playground - but in the classroom standard English is important because that is what they are being marked for in exams."

madz
11th April 2006, 01:17 PM
Alreeeeet Boombaclaart

:)

bryn
11th April 2006, 01:21 PM
is that geordie/jamaican talk or somthing madz?

madz
11th April 2006, 01:22 PM
I love you Bryn, duppy man dem

bryn
11th April 2006, 01:28 PM
I dont understand? u callin me a duppy man?

azonica
11th April 2006, 01:29 PM
SLEW DEM

han d
11th April 2006, 01:29 PM
bare hate to all da begging skets

madz
11th April 2006, 01:32 PM
I dont understand? u callin me a duppy man?

No, you are not gay

bryn
11th April 2006, 01:35 PM
thanks for clearin that up. i was a bit confused about my sexuality for a couple of minutes there

madz
11th April 2006, 01:38 PM
thanks for clearin that up. i was a bit confused about my sexuality for a couple of minutes there

:)

you love me really i know

Gem04
11th April 2006, 01:39 PM
My little cousin whos 13 speaks like thsi rather frequently :ban:

His favourites seem to be 'Braaaaap' and 'yeah that is nang'

bryn
11th April 2006, 01:43 PM
:)

you love me really i know

sometimes i think i love u so much it makes me want to self harm :badteeth:

Gem04
11th April 2006, 01:44 PM
He prob gets it from me :badteeth:

Mantmast
11th April 2006, 01:50 PM
Fucking chavs, can't believe this is the future of our society

madz
11th April 2006, 01:51 PM
sometimes i think i love u so much it makes me want to self harm :badteeth:

I could teach you a few things or two about self harming if you want

Gem=Street

BURLEY MC
11th April 2006, 02:06 PM
Duppy does not mean gay.

It means a ghost - or shadowy figure.

If you are a duppy man your a ghost man.

Geemac
11th April 2006, 09:55 PM
people who speak like this should be shot

Geemac
11th April 2006, 10:01 PM
"And it is not white youngsters trying to ape West Indians because they think it is 'cool' - it goes beyond that."

I really dont think it does.

Mantmast
11th April 2006, 10:02 PM
Alreeeeet Boombaclaart

:)


is that geordie/jamaican talk or somthing madz?


lol

Mikee Merge n C
11th April 2006, 11:00 PM
Seani B had a slang expert in on his show the other day talking bout origins of the vocab kids using nowadays... Quite interesting for me, being rather posh.

:badteeth:

It was quite splendid.

By the way, Misdemeanor was that their headline or yours?! :D

The report says its notr a fake Jamaican attempt, its more like Englaican, or Jamglish.

A hybrid of British and Carribean dialects in other words....

Don't get it twisted!

:)

Mikee Merge n C
11th April 2006, 11:08 PM
I'm looking forward to the rise of English Ragga in 2009... It gets big, once one man has started the ball rolling and peeps jump on the bandwagon.

Phat riddimtracks with cockney deejays spittin with exaggerated English accents and no Kingston dialect..

UK Dancehall goes English.

Mikee Merge n C
11th April 2006, 11:10 PM
Duppy does not mean gay.

It means a ghost - or shadowy figure.

If you are a duppy man your a ghost man.


Madz thinks a gay man is a dead man. :funk:

Hahaha! You should have seen the DOA nerds translation of that Capleton rhyme. Find that. Classic. :D

Geemac
11th April 2006, 11:28 PM
I dont think we should take this as seriously as something genuinely happening to language in this country, its just kids who dont know any better thinking they sound cool.
'Rudeboi' kids probably see the people they look up to in music or whatever speaking in that way and just try to imitate it.Then some film like 'football factory' or whatever comes along and suddenly its cool for them to act stereotypically 'white' again.

azonica
11th April 2006, 11:44 PM
*trombone* 'Av a Banana :badteeth:

Misdemeanor
12th April 2006, 09:43 AM
By the way, Misdemeanor was that their headline or yours?! :D

The report says its notr a fake Jamaican attempt, its more like Englaican, or Jamglish.

A hybrid of British and Carribean dialects in other words....

Don't get it twisted!

:)

It was their headline merge.

You dont need to explain the article to me!

Jay Stonerz MC
16th April 2006, 07:10 AM
I dont think we should take this as seriously as something genuinely happening to language in this country, its just kids who dont know any better thinking they sound cool.
'Rudeboi' kids probably see the people they look up to in music or whatever speaking in that way and just try to imitate it.Then some film like 'football factory' or whatever comes along and suddenly its cool for them to act stereotypically 'white' again.


Or maybe they just go by what other people around them talk. :penguin: