Clownstep......................

[Manikular]

is badly produced lowest common denominator cheesey tripe made for junglistic philistines and/or young kiddies who take too many pills.

discuss..











about time we had a music related thread :]

[coombz]

i try not to 'define' a tune into any particular genre too often. i just like what i like. for example, i could say 'im not really into my liquid/funk dnb' which is partly true, but theres definetley some of those kind of tunes that i DO really like.

so, as far as 'clownstep' is concerned, if i hear a tune i form my opinion of it regardless of what type or genre of dnb it falls into.

and i don't take pills either :]

[DJ Chemical]

new age jump up for the jump up masses. not my ting but can understand the attraction!!!!!!

:wub: :wub: :wub:

[Graham E]

for the uninitiated,
giz a couple of tune names i'll hae heard of that you'd class as cownstep, and i'll discuss...

[azonica]

Extreamly annoyingly catchty tunes that you SOMETIMES can find youself tapping your foot too, but still think "AHHHHHHH what am i doing!!!!!"

I.E The drum and bass version of S - Club 7




:P

[Misdemeanor]

hmmm im feelin the replies more than thread i have to say. lol/

Its just a small part of dnbscene really. Jump up used to be quality (and it was!)...but then again i say that about happyhardcore. lol.

What im saying is our tastes change...or mature.

I also think that there are nowhere near as many ppl doing pills these days. Weed, beer and crack are just as popular, if not more.

Clownstep to me is just a tune that has a short shelf life. If it wasnt any good at all it wouldnt be popular. The fact it only lasts five minutes means to me its not worth buying -same thinking as you im sure - that there are better tunes out there worth owning! Doesnt mean i dont want to ever hear it on a dancefloor thou!

Of course sometunes are complete pap. But hey it would be boring if we all liked the same.
B)

[geeman]

i love it!

[Manikular]

i only wrote the topic thread to try and see if it would create a reaction....

the only reason i hate the clipz / hazzard / distorted minds / twisted sound is becuase they are copying a sound which was perfected by doc scott and dj die in 1998..

it has been far too long for a "dance floor" tune to give me the hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck feeling, and i KNOW for a fact that CERTAIN producers are writing tracks of this ilk purely as a money making entity. you just need to read DOA to understand what passions this topic will stir.

i'm bored at work today and would rather have a healthy debate re: the scene of ours rather than relationship issues..

please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]

[DJ Chemical]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 11:37 AM
i only wrote the topic thread to try and see if it would create a reaction....

the only reason i hate the clipz / hazzard / distorted minds / twisted sound is becuase they are copying a sound which was perfected by doc scott and dj die in 1998..

it has been far too long for a "dance floor" tune to give me the hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck feeling, and i KNOW for a fact that CERTAIN producers are writing tracks of this ilk purely as a money making entity. you just need to read DOA to understand what passions this topic will stir.

i'm bored at work today and would rather have a healthy debate re: the scene of ours rather than relationship issues..

please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]
I would have to leave Clipz out of any clown step thread, he ain't a clown......just wicked Bristol soundz.........


:P

[Graham E]

Well i'm going to go against you guys, those tunes are good for gettijng new peeps into the scene, and are fun to dance like a twat to when pissed... "proper" d+b is obviously better, but you can't take your non d+b mates along coz it's too hectic. If there's the odd t-10 or whatever, they have a good laugh, and slowly get into it, so you don't have to follow your mates to crap house / r+b nights as much!

[Gem]

Bodyrock (shiver)

Surely that'd classify?

[Manikular]

Originally posted by DJ Chemical@Sep 11 2003, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 11:37 AM
i only wrote the topic thread to try and see if it would create a reaction....

the only reason i hate the clipz / hazzard / distorted minds / twisted sound is becuase they are copying a sound which was perfected by doc scott and dj die in 1998..

it has been far too long for a "dance floor" tune to give me the hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck feeling, and i KNOW for a fact that CERTAIN producers are writing tracks of this ilk purely as a money making entity. you just need to read DOA to understand what passions this topic will stir.

i'm bored at work today and would rather have a healthy debate re: the scene of ours rather than relationship issues..

please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]
I would have to leave Clipz out of any clown step thread, he ain't a clown......just wicked Bristol soundz.........


:P
you aint heard his new bits bruv hahaha

[Misdemeanor]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 11:37 AM
i only wrote the topic thread to try and see if it would create a reaction....

the only reason i hate the clipz / hazzard / distorted minds / twisted sound is becuase they are copying a sound which was perfected by doc scott and dj die in 1998..

it has been far too long for a "dance floor" tune to give me the hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck feeling, and i KNOW for a fact that CERTAIN producers are writing tracks of this ilk purely as a money making entity. you just need to read DOA to understand what passions this topic will stir.

i'm bored at work today and would rather have a healthy debate re: the scene of ours rather than relationship issues..

please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]
bliemy sound like u having a bad day?"! :huh: dont think anyones having a dig mate!

I dont think i need to read DOA thou to understand that ppl make tunes for money either :P Drumnbassheads renowned for taking their music too seriously but thats cos we love it so much! Its a way of life hehe.

[Graham E]

the one that gets me is the piss poor atempts at hitting the charts...
twist em out (skibbadee vocal mix) - what a fucking embarrasment.
skibba should hang his head in shame

[Misdemeanor]

Originally posted by Graham E@Sep 11 2003, 01:46 PM
the one that gets me is the piss poor atempts at hitting the charts...
twist em out (skibbadee vocal mix) - what a fucking embarrasment.
skibba should hang his head in shame
yea this is true. Wasnt into ANY of the twistemout mixes...

[Manikular]

Originally posted by Misdemeanor@Sep 11 2003, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 11:37 AM
i only wrote the topic thread to try and see if it would create a reaction....

the only reason i hate the clipz / hazzard / distorted minds / twisted sound is becuase they are copying a sound which was perfected by doc scott and dj die in 1998..

it has been far too long for a "dance floor" tune to give me the hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck feeling, and i KNOW for a fact that CERTAIN producers are writing tracks of this ilk purely as a money making entity. you just need to read DOA to understand what passions this topic will stir.

i'm bored at work today and would rather have a healthy debate re: the scene of ours rather than relationship issues..

please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]
bliemy sound like u having a bad day?"! :huh: dont think anyones having a dig mate!

I dont think i need to read DOA thou to understand that ppl make tunes for money either :P Drumnbassheads renowned for taking their music too seriously but thats cos we love it so much! Its a way of life hehe.
i'm not having a bad day! you know me.. get well passionate about the music i love...

i do understand that one mans breakage is another mans aphrodite so i don't hate on any one :)

i guess i might be having a tiny bad day, after all it took me 3 hours to get to work... and my office is 14 miles from my house [as the crow flies]

hehehe

[azonica]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 01:32 PM

you aint heard his new bits bruv hahaha
Even 'Trumpet', i quite like that :huh:

[Manikular]

Originally posted by azonica@Sep 11 2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 01:32 PM

you aint heard his new bits bruv hahaha
Even 'Trumpet', i quite like that :huh:
you got to check a guy called 0=0

hit new stuff is fucking crazy.

[vyper]

Hehe, you know you love ya clownstep Dave! :P

I agree with Coombz, what he said earlier, about trying not to generalise D&B into categories. When I buy a tune, it's coz I like it, not coz all the kids love it or whatever. I like some of Clipz, Hazzard, Twisted...etc stuff, not all of it, and yes I do have some of there anthem'y tunes.
I do think there is some very poor D&B out there specifically aimed @ the charts & kids!!!, Which I think is wrong! There is some top quality D&B out there, you just have to look that little bit harder to find it!

So a summary then, 'like whatever you wont, and not not let other peeps opinion's effect what you like'. What ever makes you happy & whatever makes you groove!

Reach for the lasers....safe as fuck!!!!!

[Philblunt]

clownstep is impossible to define, as are all style really, where are the borders?

thing is right, I take it you are referring to these 'swingbeat' tunes..(?)

Not much point being anal about it cos it's all good, dont buy a tune if yuo dont want to init, and pick who you see if you dint want to waste money going to an event where you're gonna hear that shite.
Thing is as you all should know, one of drum n bass' main traits is the way it branches out, it really does now cater from everyone. a lot of people are into jump up, I mean I like good tunes, or at least what i recon are good tunes.
I'm more of a dark head, but I'm not one to start moaning about 'it's been done' and shit, cos whats the point.

Like i always say - YOU GET OUT THERE AND RELEASE SHIT. init

[Misdemeanor]

Yea without the different styles within dnb, i reckon i'd have tos tart going back out to other sort of nights, (all clubbing of course)

the fact theres so much variety its great....from movement to renegade hardware. I can have completley different sorts of nights out to the same genre of music.

Variety is the spice of life eh!?

B)

[DJ Chemical]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by DJ Chemical@Sep 11 2003, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 11:37 AM
i only wrote the topic thread to try and see if it would create a reaction....

the only reason i hate the clipz / hazzard / distorted minds / twisted sound is becuase they are copying a sound which was perfected by doc scott and dj die in 1998..

it has been far too long for a "dance floor" tune to give me the hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck feeling, and i KNOW for a fact that CERTAIN producers are writing tracks of this ilk purely as a money making entity. you just need to read DOA to understand what passions this topic will stir.

i'm bored at work today and would rather have a healthy debate re: the scene of ours rather than relationship issues..

please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]
I would have to leave Clipz out of any clown step thread, he ain't a clown......just wicked Bristol soundz.........


:P
you aint heard his new bits bruv hahaha
I've got his new bits bruv, u will hear one tune that I'm dropping of his right now, only one though.....it's a remix.


:wub: :wub: :wub:

[Mikee Merge n C]

Discuss?

You just sound like a snob Dave.

Discuss.

[Mikee Merge n C]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 11:37 AM
please don't hate on me.. i'm a junglist to the core, allbeit somewhat cynical at times, i love the scene more than most... :]

I respect you a lot Manik and have heard Rareform tracks and appreciate you have a longer history in the rave scene than most if not all the mans I know in Oxford but sometimes you really piss on my bombfire mate...

At the end of the day, when I got into the rave scene [1992] it was dominated by pills [albeit cleaner pills!] and people of all social classes, but what I preferred about them days is that there wasn't any need for this unhealthy and provocative segragation...

I am getting what you say about tracks being produced in short time.

In 1998 I met Aphrodite and asked "is it true that some of your tracks only took four hours to make?" and he replied with a smile "some of them only took *two* hours to make!"

But, even though I'm sick to death of Aphrodites style I see people dancing a lot harder to that then the more technologically advanced productions...

Whatever floats your boat innit!


Respect.

Good thread.

[vice]

Clownstep. hmmm....

I assume (as phil said - i'm still allowed to quote didcot people right!?) that you mean the "Swingbeat" tunes like Bodyrock, T minus etc

Well, I know for a fact that T-10 was *rinsed* in didcot during the time that I was there, and it always got people going.

That isn't meant as a cuss. it just illustrates the point that it totally depends what you listen to d'n'b for.

i would never set about trying to produce a clownstep tune (on purpose anyway), but they do have a certain vibe about them that's unmistakeable. And unless the rave is full of "cynics" (no offence dave, just making a point!) they will get people dancing. Ain't that what jungle is supposed to do. :)

[Jay Stonerz MC]

Originally posted by DJ Chemical@Sep 11 2003, 11:55 AM

I would have to leave Clipz out of any clown step thread, he ain't a clown......just wicked Bristol soundz.........


:P

What *is* actually wrong with being a clown?

Look at me!

I'm a fucking skitzophrenic nutcase






and proud of it.

B)

[Jay Stonerz MC]

Originally posted by Graham E@Sep 11 2003, 01:46 PM
the one that gets me is the piss poor atempts at hitting the charts...
twist em out (skibbadee vocal mix) - what a fucking embarrasment.
skibba should hang his head in shame

:D

I know what you mean...

The kids love it though.

Us old farts are a lot more cynical! :rolleyes:

[Jay Stonerz MC]

Originally posted by Philblunt@Sep 11 2003, 02:30 PM

Thing is as you all should know, one of drum n bass' main traits is the way it branches out, it really does now cater from everyone.

For real.

Ten years ago I was into rave music...
Now I'm into jungle music...
Because rave has house, trance, garage and other sub-genres it's no longer possible to know that I love all rave music...

The same thing is happening with jungle d 'n' b...

Soon clown-steppers and snob-tech heads and liquid-funksters and whatever the fuck else people are gonna name the ravers, are never gonna have to put up with each others company at parties...

Evolution is unstoppable and imminent.

Personally I used to love Helter Skelters policy in the 1990's... Happy Hardcore and Dancehall Drum 'n' Bass under one roof and all muddled together... It also makes you appreciate it more when your favourite style comes back on. A break is as good as a rest.

Things change.

Young ravers come along and reshape the scene, as young people do with society...

Grandparents say "it was never like this when I was young" but what can they do to stop it?

Manik, you are old skool - were you so critical ten years ago, five years ago etc?
I'm not saying you shouldn't have your opinion. Freedom of speech and that. But you seem quite 'for' further segregation and categorisation.

I on the other hand love variety... Unexpected sudden style changes.
It gets so boring if everyone likes the same thing....

Jungle drum 'n' bass incorporates all elements of all musics.

Some producers are lazier than others but some producers are more entertaining than others...

[Manikular]

mike you got me wrong, as per... i want a scene that will survive.. yeah i'm a snob.. completely. it doesn't matter how long people have been in the scene, some of my friends only discovered d&b this year!!!

what i'm tryign to say is this.. i'm hurt that certain producers have OPENLY admitted that they are writing certain styles as a means to make money. they need a quick-win money making entity in order to get one with whatever they want to do in their lives...

it sickens me to hear 2 tracks with 2 different names which sound almost identical.. hazzard and distorted minds did excactly this. i KNOW they can try harder than that!

i don't want a repeat of 1995 when the majors all got itchy with the cheque books and fucked the scene up. look at legends like source direct.. they fucked up becuase of it.. the scene took a battering becuase of the likes of telstar and bmg wanted a piece of a very unstable pie.. what happened? it collapsed.. i remember a time when big jungle raves were VERY few and far between and it's only in the last 3-4 years that we have got back on track.. what i'm trying to say is that i don't want another implosion akin to the one in 1995/6 as i love the scene too much.

and with regards to me getting out there and releasing shit.. i have done and i will do again.. the scene is currently innondated with too many labels right now.. i would sooner support the likes of offshore, bassbin and inperspective to name but three amazing imprints than start my own... i had a p&d deal for formula inc. it fucked up as the distributor went into 250 grands worth of debt. the only way i could get a label going is if i commision tracks from well known producers becuase no matter how talented you are , no fucker will buy your tunes unless you are known or if you link up with someone known... or if you get a tune on a well known label... which is excactly what bad company did back in teh day...

i'll try and get another deal soon.. the distribution scene is messy right now.. loadsa are going under however there is a light at the end of the tunnel.. but more on that nearer the time...

i don't have time to write tunes right now... i wish i did! my day job is important right now.. bills to pay and that kind of thing.

as i said before.. one mans paradox is another mans aphrodite... mikee jumped straight in and thought i was insinuating aphrodite is no good.. WRONG!

what about calling all the people, some justice and we enter? all heavy!

the main reason i started this thread is becuase the d&b content on this forum has been very lack-lustre and i chose a topic which i knew peple would BITE into...

and i know how much devistation t-10 and the like can do on the dance floor, i never said they were weak tunes... all i'm saying is producers can get complacent and take the easy option...

that is why i rate fresh.. quality and quantity.. although torpedos is pure clownstep i LOVE it as it's original to say the least!

[Mikee Merge n C]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 09:21 PM
it sickens me to hear 2 tracks with 2 different names which sound almost identical.. hazzard and distorted minds did excactly this. i KNOW they can try harder than that!


Agreed!
Coco and friends got ripped of innit!

[Mikee Merge n C]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 09:21 PM
as i said before.. one mans paradox is another mans aphrodite... mikee jumped straight in and thought i was insinuating aphrodite is no good.. WRONG!

what about calling all the people, some justice and we enter? all heavy!


Oh for REEEEEEAL blood!!
I'm just meaning post-'Bad Ass' tunes really...

Him and Micky made the first anthems innit...
Far better quality production than more recently IMO!

[Mikee Merge n C]

I get worried that people get a certain impression of you by the viewpoints you give, that's all mate... And the 'pikey' label could be taken as a diss by many people who we are supported by, as DJ's on the circuit...

I know I'm a fine one to talk, and it's happened more than once that I've said something and wish I hadn't but be careful mate!!

I do get wound up but I don't want a war of opinions like...

It's all lighthearted from where I'm sat...

Hope it's the same at your end...


Keep it real [or if you can't keep it real keep it keeping people happy!]

[Manikular]

if people judge someone by the viewpoints they post on a local internet forum then those people themselves could be a little bit ignorant! hell no.. all wrong!

[Manikular]

oh and i've never once said any one is a shit producer, i'm saying they don't put their heart and soul into like i wish they WOULD!

[vice]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 10:50 PM
if people judge someone by the viewpoints they post on a local internet forum then those people themselves could be a little bit ignorant! hell no.. all wrong!
^ ^ i put that forward for quote of the fucking month!

B)

[vice]

Originally posted by Mikee Merge n C@Sep 11 2003, 10:03 PM

Keep it real [or if you can't keep it real keep it keeping people happy!]
^ ^ and that one a very close second :)

[Ov3RKiLL]

Originally posted by vice@Sep 11 2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Mikee Merge n C@Sep 11 2003, 10:03 PM

Keep it real [or if you can't keep it real keep it keeping people happy!]
^ ^ and that one a very close second :)
is that a joke bekit?

[vice]

no. i'm happy and everyone i care about is happy. anyone else can swivel

nuff said

[Ov3RKiLL]

the truest thing you've said in months bekit

feel proud of yourself

[vice]

thankyou kind sir

now shut up and move on

:P

[vyper]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 11 2003, 09:21 PM

and with regards to me getting out there and releasing shit.. i have done and i will do again.. the scene is currently innondated with too many labels right now.. i would sooner support the likes of offshore, bassbin and inperspective to name but three amazing imprints than start my own... i had a p&d deal for formula inc. it fucked up as the distributor went into 250 grands worth of debt. the only way i could get a label going is if i commision tracks from well known producers becuase no matter how talented you are , no fucker will buy your tunes unless you are known or if you link up with someone known... or if you get a tune on a well known label... which is excactly what bad company did back in teh day...

i'll try and get another deal soon.. the distribution scene is messy right now.. loadsa are going under however there is a light at the end of the tunnel.. but more on that nearer the time...

i don't have time to write tunes right now... i wish i did! my day job is important right now.. bills to pay and that kind of thing.


Dave, dunno whether you know already or are considering it, but Bailey is after new material for his new label. You stuff would be ideal for Bailey's label! :)

[Manikular]

my stuff just aint ready yet... all about the edits.. and they take a while :)

[vyper]

Fair enough bro, you gonna sneak a few teaser's in of some stuff of yours to keep our ears out for, 2nite!?

I look forward to hearing your stuff, when it's all complete! :)

[Manikular]

Originally posted by vyper@Sep 12 2003, 11:05 AM
Fair enough bro, you gonna sneak a few teaser's in of some stuff of yours to keep our ears out for, 2nite!?

I look forward to hearing your stuff, when it's all complete! :)
i might play a few new things... get ready for the choppage!

[vyper]

Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 12 2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by vyper@Sep 12 2003, 11:05 AM
Fair enough bro, you gonna sneak a few teaser's in of some stuff of yours to keep our ears out for, 2nite!?

I look forward to hearing your stuff, when it's all complete! :)
i might play a few new things... get ready for the choppage!
I look forward to hearin some pure choppage from ya dave!!!

Proper Bo Selecta!!!!1

[Manikular]

Originally posted by vyper@Sep 12 2003, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Manikular@Sep 12 2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by vyper@Sep 12 2003, 11:05 AM
Fair enough bro, you gonna sneak a few teaser's in of some stuff of yours to keep our ears out for, 2nite!?

I look forward to hearing your stuff, when it's all complete! :)
i might play a few new things... get ready for the choppage!
I look forward to hearin some pure choppage from ya dave!!!

Proper Bo Selecta!!!!1
well we are going b2b2b so that is all the paradox out the window!

[vyper]

I'm sure Breakage will make up for that! :)

[Mikee Merge n C]

I'd love Manik to make a clownstep tune. Piss take or not it'd be easy to do in a short space of time right?!
Gwaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! :cool: