Flying glass kills 27 y.o mum in a pub

[Misdemeanor]

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A mother of three has been hit and killed by flying glass from a bottle thrown at a crowded Manchester pub.

Emma O'Kane, 27, was at the bar early this morning with friends after Boxing Day when a man who was refused entry by doormen threw the bottle, which hit a pillar and smashed, police said

Ms O'Kane was hit by a piece of glass in the neck and collapsed. She was pronounced dead Fairfield hospital.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/27/manchester-pub-glass-death

[ceedee]

Bring back the death sentence.

[linguistikzz]

Why would you do that? Was it that important that he had a drink in that pub? Some people get too agro on drink if they do then they should control their drinking!
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[bryn]

Bring back the death sentence.

it was clearly an accident though. its dark she died but the bloke obviously just had a bit of a pissed up moment, bet most people have done stupid shit when they're drunk, it was just unlucky that this woman happened to die because of it.

[ceedee]

Then why has he been charged with murder rather than manslaughter? And someone doesn't 'accidentally' lob a bottle hard enough to kill someone, there is malice behind any action like that, pissed up or not. Whether it intended to kill or not is neither here nor there really - it did, and given there was malice behind the action in the first place, I think a punishment like that is probably justified.

[Misdemeanor]

....there is malice behind any action like that, pissed up or not. Whether it intended to kill or not is neither here nor there really - it did,

Yea I spotted that. I thought that you had to actually intend to kill someone to be charged with that, and if it was accidental, it would be manslaughter?

[bryn]

Then why has he been charged with murder rather than manslaughter? And someone doesn't 'accidentally' lob a bottle hard enough to kill someone, there is malice behind any action like that, pissed up or not. Whether it intended to kill or not is neither here nor there really - it did, and given there was malice behind the action in the first place, I think a punishment like that is probably justified.

breeze

[ceedee]

breeze

Urban Dictionary saves the day again!

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Bryn is quite urban

[ceedee]

Does urban mean good at arguing his case? If so I would beg to differ.

[Misdemeanor]

Breeze is a rubbish argument, agreed, but I am unsure whether this guy should be charged with murder. IF you get in a car drunk, and then kill someone, you've not intentionally killed them, but by your own stupid and irresponsible actions, you have. That's not murder, so why should this be?

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

isn't it manslaughter?

[Misdemeanor]

That's my point :)

[ceedee]

That's also my point - if it was manslaughter then I am not saying the death penalty is appropriate. However, given that what I am reading says that he has been charged with murder, it sounds like there was some degree of calculation involved - whether this is the case or not is not for me to say as I don't have the same info as the police do, I am only going on what I have heard.

I would say though that as I understand it, murder is defined as the pre-meditated killing of someone, and manslaughter is defined as causing the death of someone through negligence (ie getting in a car drunk, not tightening the wings up properly on a plane, etc). This case is kind of in a grey area as I doubt the guy pre-meditated this poor woman's death, but the act that caused her death was intended to do at least some harm to something (property or otherwise) so the act itself doesn't really fall under negligence either.

I don't envy the paperwork that is gonna be produced in this kind of case!

[Misdemeanor]

Hmmm. I'd like to bet they were just pissed up and angry and now incredibly sorry for what they have done. I doubt anyone who lobs a bottle intends for it to kills someone, especially if it wasn't even aimed at someone in particular. That said, if they were in a fight out on the street, and then lobbed a bottle at that person, would that be murder, or manslaughter? It was intended to harm, I reckon that would be a murder charge. Proving either way what a drunk persons intentions were is damn near impossible i'd say......

Gotta feel sorry for the woman's family, absolutely tragic.

[bryn]

That's also my point - if it was manslaughter then I am not saying the death penalty is appropriate. However, given that what I am reading says that he has been charged with murder, it sounds like there was some degree of calculation involved - whether this is the case or not is not for me to say as I don't have the same info as the police do, I am only going on what I have heard.



how could there have been any calcualtion? do you think he meant to throw the bottle against a pillar in such a way that it shatterd and a shard of glass cut the artery in her neck!? he couldnt do that again if he tried 1000 times. its obvious he will be charged with murder and it will be dropped to manslaughter.