What's the difference between Jungle and D 'n' B?

[Mikee Merge n C]

This is an argument I've had with a few people.
I guess newer ravers might see a huge diffence between 1990's Drum 'n' Bass and the modern stuff. I don't. I think it's just evolution of one into the other!

Opened a can of worms now though. :wacko:

Electro > Acid House > Hardcore > Jungle... blah blah blah..

I'm just gonna call it Electro! Hahaha! :D :wacko:

[Manikular]

i agree with you mike... same thing bro

[dj raw]

there is a difference between the two but they all come under the urban umbrella of breakbeat terrorism :D

to me jungle uses more cut up amen beats with sub bass where as drum and bass is more flowing...

that's just my take on it though and it's pretty hard to explain without having audio to illustrate...

[Mikee Merge n C]

Jungle is supposed to have negative connotations. Whatever. :blink:

[Misdemeanor]

i like this one. I believe there is a difference, it doesnt mean its a bad thing thou!!

Jungle is definitely an era IMO, dont wanna be exact (cos you could argue about what years it was all day!) But when i started raving 96 , it was jungle, and somewhere shortly after that it became drumnbass :)

There are still tunes out which are dnb but have a definite jungle feel to them, its got the jungle sound to it! (for lack of a technical term!) It all mixes up good anyway!

Yea its all part of he music growing and changing - and its a good thing.

[Ov3RKiLL]

i think dnb has evolved from drum and bass and that they are 2 seperate genres, if thats what you want to call it. jungle has its own distinct drum patterns, theyre alot more busy and crazyer than the dnb we have now

if you listened to some proper old skool with crashing rums an rolls everywhere an then listened to snapshot (bleh) you'd know teh difference. i dont know much ol skool, or else id be able to give a better example

[Mikee Merge n C]

;)

[vice]

Originally posted by dj raw@May 19 2003, 11:31 AM
there is a difference between the two but they all come under the urban umbrella of breakbeat terrorism :D

to me jungle uses more cut up amen beats with sub bass where as drum and bass is more flowing...

that's just my take on it though and it's pretty hard to explain without having audio to illustrate...
^ thats how I always saw things.


if you were using venn diagrams (GCSE maths anyone? lol) jungle would be a big circle, and inside it would be a smaller circle called drumnbass

ie. drumnbass is always jungle, but not all jungle can be called drumnbass

flame at will :o

[Mikee Merge n C]

But the main thing I worry about is parties advertising themselves as Drum 'n' Bass when there is plenty of Jungle, and Jungle parties not mentioning D 'n' B.
See what I mean?
Confused? :rolleyes: :D

[vice]

how about using the phrase; "Jungle Drum & Bass"

??

worth a try!

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?

[vice]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 10:14 AM
Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?
hmmm......

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 10:14 AM
Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?
This went unnoticed earlier ! ! Bekit was the only person to pick up on this comment ! !

Was expecting a good bit of feedback ! !

[Mikee Merge n C]

Originally posted by Bekit@Jun 10 2003, 09:51 AM
how about using the phrase; "Jungle Drum & Bass"

??

worth a try!
As you have *hopefully* noticed, I do! :D

[I just wondered why not many other people seem to...] ;)

[Misdemeanor]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 10:14 AM
Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?
what planet exactly is it that u are from!!! :D

Or was this a joke.
:rolleyes:

[Mikee Merge n C]

Originally posted by Misdemeanor@Jun 10 2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 10:14 AM
Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?
what planet exactly is it that u are from!!! :D

Or was this a joke.
:rolleyes:

Some sort of sick joke.
Your humour is evil.

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 10:14 AM
Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?
This went unnoticed earlier ! ! Bekit was the only person to pick up on this comment ! !

Was expecting a good bit of feedback ! !
:D :D

This is what I wrote further down !

[Misdemeanor]

Originally posted by merge@Jun 10 2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Misdemeanor@Jun 10 2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 10 2003, 10:14 AM
Isn't jungle a bit like Uk Garage ?
what planet exactly is it that u are from!!! :D

Or was this a joke.
:rolleyes:

Some sort of sick joke.
Your humour is evil.
evil is the word!

im also quite stupid lol :rolleyes:

[Manikular]

hey man.. uk garage might such.. but leave mj cole and steve gurley out of it .. coz they both fucking rock!

[vice]

lol Mikee your comment didn't cause as much commotion as expected :-/

Merge, I think I have picked up on you saying it before... maybe, subconciously, that's where i got the idea from ! :D

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Originally posted by Manikular@Jun 11 2003, 09:10 AM
hey man.. uk garage might such.. but leave mj cole and steve gurley out of it .. coz they both fucking rock!
What about Todd Edwards , Tuff Jam & Nu Birth?

[Manikular]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 11 2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Manikular@Jun 11 2003, 09:10 AM
hey man.. uk garage might such.. but leave mj cole and steve gurley out of it .. coz they both fucking rock!
What about Todd Edwards , Tuff Jam & Nu Birth?
todd is a god
tuffjam are ok
nu birth... are ok, some of their other pseudonyms are better, and some worse.. i'm loving the tim delux stuff coming through on underwater, that imprint is wicked, i bet underworld are gutted about the split and to see emmerson do so well..

eek rambling..

yeah.. some uk garage is fantastic.. the early stuff pre-bling. i don't midn a few 8 bar bits but alot of it leaves me cold.. my mates do sidewinder so i've been to the odd gayrage do.. but only if and when they had d&b arenas too :]

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Stuff on Locked On is pretty good espiecially very ealry stuff. I have a Locked on Album which is wicked.

[vice]

i dont know names & labels and stuff, but when you hear dirty garage with (gasp!) BASSLINES and phat drums, you do kinda nod your head to it.

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Zinc - Hello

Brockie & Hype have also done stuff which is alright in "breakstep" ! !

[Misdemeanor]

speedgarage is the only sorta garage worth mentioning IMO!

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

187 Lockdown & Same People do good stuff.

[vice]

people i think we should nip this thread in the bud before it becomes a gayrage-bumming thread hehe

:lol: :lol: :D

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

I love Garage :D

[vice]

OMG SINNER DIE DIE DIE DIE

and other immature ramblings...

anyway......


lol :D

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Can I interest you in a bit of DJ Luck & MC Neat ?

[vice]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 11 2003, 11:04 AM
Can I interest you in a bit of DJ Luck & MC Neat ?
It would interest me to see them both shot

is that what you meant? :D

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Originally posted by Bekit@Jun 11 2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 11 2003, 11:04 AM
Can I interest you in a bit of DJ Luck & MC Neat ?
It would interest me to see them both shot

is that what you meant? :D
You love em really don't you !

[vice]

Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 11 2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Bekit@Jun 11 2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Mikee Hussla@Jun 11 2003, 11:04 AM
Can I interest you in a bit of DJ Luck & MC Neat ?
It would interest me to see them both shot

is that what you meant? :D
You love em really don't you !
I love them to death

:o :D

[Mikee Merge n C]

Originally posted by Manikular@Jun 11 2003, 09:10 AM
hey man.. uk garage might such.. but leave mj cole and steve gurley out of it .. coz they both fucking rock!
For real mate. Even if people class them as UK Garage I don't look at them as that. This is 2kSoul mate.

[Mikee Merge n C]

Any one see the documentary on the evolution of Soul music on Channel 4 last night?
Trevor 'Madhatter' Nelson presented it and talked about the Jungle scene saying how in 1995 it imploded and Garage erupted into 2Step, as if to say Jungle died!...

Blasphemy!

They need to get their facts straight! It's like when Mixmag said Drum 'n' Bass was dead! It ain't dead at all! It's healthier than ever! <_<

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

Originally posted by merge@Jul 2 2003, 05:01 PM
Any one see the documentary on the evolution of Soul music on Channel 4 last night?
Trevor 'Madhatter' Nelson presented it and talked about the Jungle scene saying how in 1995 it imploded and Garage erupted into 2Step, as if to say Jungle died!...

Blasphemy!

They need to get their facts straight! It's like when Mixmag said Drum 'n' Bass was dead! It ain't dead at all! It's healthier than ever! <_<
Wouldn't say DnB was healthier than ever but it's good !

[Mikee Merge n C]

It needs an injection of something definately... It's all going too categorical....

[EDTA+]

jungle = amen ,firefight,boymerang etc breaks edited to shit and dub/ragga bass.

DnB= 4/4 programmed beats basses more mid and synthetic.

I*M*O!!!!


we should just call it.... jeff (jeff n bass)

[Manikular]

jungle is drum&bass

clownstep is happy hardcore.

bloody major key changes and off beat bass stabs.

nice one formation *groan*

[Misdemeanor]

jungle is Drums, bass, sample/vocal thing. and fits a lot better with an mc rolling over the top. Its slower too and more about the drums and the bass!

drumnbass has drums and bass, but has a lot more going on in it. Loadsa different types of other sounds -guess its as much to do with different ways of producing...

At the end of the day clownstep doesnt exist, its just drumnbass but some ppl feel the need to categorise it, in order to make their love for dnb less embarrassing ;)

[DJ Fayd]

drum and bass is dead:badteeth:

allergic reaction to face paint

[Manikular]

mate... there are so many different categories that people call d&b

i mean

techstep, hardstep, neurofunk, intelligent, artcore, jazzstep, liquid, rollers. grr!

most made up by magazines i hasten to add!

[EDTA+]

hes joking man...

as was i


drum and bass is the music

i would say that all other terms canbe used to describe a certain style/sub species:badteeth: of DnBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

[Jay Stonerz MC]

It's all hardcore!

[Jibba]

Its all relative!

Jungle - ragga riddim riding amen choppage

Drum n Bass - four to the floor modualting sub rollage

[Mikee Merge n C]

And you never heard any MC's talking about drum 'n' bass over jungle and vice versa?
Sure 'Jungle' was used more during 93-95 but I still think of it all as rave / hardcore...
Hardcore will never die.

[DJ Fayd]

Originally posted by Mikee Merge n C
Hardcore will never die.

One can only hope not Mr Merge.

[MIKEE HUSSLA]

is this thread still going ? . . .

[Mikee Merge n C]

Yes it is! Why? Would you like to add some thoughts?

Please do - that is the general aim.